You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist

201. Anita Bartholomew
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[00:00:00] Anita: If you look at the way our media has been talking about quote unquote transgender for the past, more than a decade, you realize that it's not kids who are being indoctrinated first. They're kind of [00:00:15] downstream. They had to indoctrinate us first. They had to convince us that the a MA and WPATH were really onto something.

[00:00:23] Anita: There was this new thing called the Trans Kid, and that all these people that you see who were 50 and 60 years [00:00:30] old, these men who suddenly say, oh, I'm a woman, were secretly trans kids. From the time they were old enough to Todd along the way this was sold to us was through our most trusted media. The role of the [00:00:45] journalist is to take information that you get, investigate it, find out everything you can about who said it, why they said it, what their evidence is, and is there evidence sound, and who has.

[00:00:58] Anita: Another opinion about it and [00:01:00] who has other evidence. When it came to the gender issue, that was something they didn't want to touch. They didn't want to look transphobic or bigoted, so they just went along with it. But by now our media with 99 times more ability than most [00:01:15] people to research. They have to know there is something very seriously wrong with this narrative.

[00:01:22] Anita: And they're not changing it. They're doubling down.

[00:01:26] SKOT: You must be some kind of therapist[00:01:30]

[00:01:32] Stephanie: today on the podcast. I have the pleasure of welcoming back my friend Anita Bartholomew. She is a magazine journalist and author, and the last time she was on my show, we recorded in person to talk [00:01:45] about some of the things she was learning as she researched gender ideology in our, our culture, uh, specifically how it was infiltrating the K 12 public schools.

[00:01:57] Stephanie: Now Anita is back to talk about her new book, [00:02:00] sacrificial Lambs, and, uh, what she has learned through her thorough investigation of gender ideology as a predatory movement that is attacking today's youth. I have a cold today, as you can [00:02:15] hear in my voice, so I will be muting myself. I'll also be taking a backseat and letting my good friend Anita, sort of lead the conversation to tell us what she finds most interesting about, uh, the research in Sacrificial lands.

[00:02:28] Stephanie: Um, so Anita, [00:02:30] welcome. Great to have you back. Show us your book, hold it Up for those who are watching YouTube.

[00:02:33] Anita: Thank you. So glad to be back. Thank you for having me. Uh, this is Sacrificial Lambs.

[00:02:39] Stephanie: Hold it higher so we can see your subtitle.

[00:02:42] Anita: Sacrificial Lambs, [00:02:45] uh, liberal reporter exposes how the progressive left harms children in the name of gender ideology.

[00:02:53] Anita: That's kind of a mouthful, but I wanted to make sure that readers understood [00:03:00] that, uh, this is not coming from somebody who is, you know, flaming right wing and, uh, MAGA and what have you, but someone who's entire life has been as a liberal [00:03:15] who still has liberal values, even if I have no home, uh, politically anymore, because the Democrats are crazy.

[00:03:25] Anita: The Republicans are crazy. And so here I am stuck in the middle with, [00:03:30] I guess, Stephanie, I think you're in the same boat. Um, uh, but yeah, so I'm, I'm very happy to be back with you, Stephanie. And, um, uh, as you mentioned, this [00:03:45] is the, you know, a lot of other people concentrate on. The medical pharmaceutical, it's never medical.

[00:03:53] Anita: There's nothing medical about it just 'cause medical people do it, but the pharmaceutical and surgical [00:04:00] horrors that people are pushed into, I wanted to look upstream from that because you don't get anybody to the gender clinic just by walking them there. You first have to indoctrinate them. So [00:04:15] that was my focus.

[00:04:17] Anita: Although of course, I. Look at everything. Um, I really wanted people to know how we got here

[00:04:26] Stephanie: and I have had the pleasure of knowing you throughout your process of writing this [00:04:30] book. In fact, that's how we met. It was a few years ago that you reached out, uh, requesting to interview me for the book. And I believe you might have in interviewed as well, some people that I've introduced you to.

[00:04:40] Stephanie: Um, so I've gotten to see your process evolve. I'm curious how [00:04:45] you would describe what was your mission when you set out to write this book, and then where did it lead you and what did the book turn into?

[00:04:51] Anita: My mission originally was to look at the whole crazy social justice warrior movement, which of course, you know, [00:05:00] short shorthand is woke.

[00:05:02] Anita: But, um. Uh, because they were calling it liberal, and it was certainly anything, but it was racist. And, uh, it was also, you know, in [00:05:15] incredibly misogynist, sexist, authoritarian, all those things, all those things that are not liberal. But my publisher wanted me to focus on one, uh, issue. And at the [00:05:30] time I was becoming pretty much obsessed with what was going on to, you know, in K through 12 to children.

[00:05:39] Anita: I mean, how could they be doing this to children and how could parents be letting them? [00:05:45] Uh, and so I went down that and several other rabbit holes, and every time I looked, I said. I can't believe this, I can't believe this is happening, that this can't be. So, and it it, it's just amazing. We'll get into [00:06:00] this later.

[00:06:00] Anita: I don't wanna go too far into these weeds right now, but you asked me, so where did the, the book, you know, how did the inspiration come and where did it go from here? So I looked into K through 12 and of course was astonished. And we went over [00:06:15] this in our last podcast, what they were teaching in, for instance, Portland Public Schools.

[00:06:22] Anita: Uh, the material I got through a public records request showed that in second grade [00:06:30] they were showing spread eagle kids, kind of the same view that you'd get on a gynecologist table and telling the kids they had to memorize, uh, words like clitoris, [00:06:45] vagina, anus, and, uh, you know, whether a boy is circumcised or not.

[00:06:48] Anita: Second grade. And, but of course it wasn't a boy who was circumcised or not because we couldn't call these kids, boys and girls. Right? Because according to [00:07:00] queer theory, there's no such thing. And comprehensive sexuality education, which this is, is all based on queer theory. It's applied queer theory, so there are no boys.

[00:07:13] Anita: 'cause that would mean [00:07:15] that you were disrespecting the kids who had a different gender identity. So there were persons with penises. So you could be a person with a penis. No idea what that means sex [00:07:30] wise, because the kids are told that any gender is possible, or a person with a vulva in second grade, they're reducing children to genitals.

[00:07:44] Anita: Uh, [00:07:45] so yeah, that totally blew my mind. And, um, and going on from there, it just got impossibly worse. I, I still, as I speak to this, uh, [00:08:00] about this topic to people, I am still shopped as I recall all the things I learned. I mean, this cannot be happening. It cannot be happening. And yet it's, and the [00:08:15] big thing that, you know, you can talk about wpath and you can talk about all the awful gender clinics, and you can talk about all the horrors that are inflicted on people who think they're the [00:08:30] wrong sex and want to go through these procedures, but it comes down to.

[00:08:37] Anita: Nobody wants to do any of this until they're indoctrinated. They're brainwashed. And how are we being [00:08:45] brainwashed? How were you and I at one point willing to consider that there might be such people? Um, it's not just the institutions that are pushing this. The, uh, [00:09:00] social work, um, uh, schools, the schools that teach teachers to be teachers.

[00:09:07] Anita: The, the universities that pri have pride flags of all over in gender clinics, uh, all over. [00:09:15] It's our major media. If our major media for just one week, one week, that's all I ask. All of them told the truth about this [00:09:30] ideology. The following week it would be on its way out.

[00:09:34] Stephanie: So you gave a really striking example there when you talked about the second grade curriculum with the diagram of the genitalia and the requirement that students memorize it, [00:09:45] and I immediately started hearing the devil's advocate position in my mind.

[00:09:49] Stephanie: Strangely enough, I think I've been internet famous just long enough to have like an inner working machine at all times of [00:10:00] how people with opposing views to mind think and what their nastiest criticisms would be. I'm curious in your research if you met or interviewed any advocates of this sort of, um.

[00:10:13] Stephanie: Education, so to [00:10:15] speak. If you met anyone who thinks it's a good idea to put, say, you know, teaching, um, genital anatomy to second graders in the hands of teachers in public school, rather than letting that be something that, that parents [00:10:30] navigate with their children at their individual discretion.

[00:10:32] Anita: I haven't met any personally actually.

[00:10:35] Anita: Um, but of course I've read what they have to say and I have read the papers that they [00:10:45] published. Uh, the academic papers are just totally bonkers. Uh, for instance, uh, the idea in the academic papers goes beyond just that [00:11:00] children ought to learn their make believe gender or, um, about the names of genitalia.

[00:11:08] Anita: Uh, they should actually be treated. As sexual beings. [00:11:15] And, uh, so with one, I'm trying to think what the name of it was. Uh oh. Body Smart, right from the chart. Body Smart, right from the chart in the name of call. They, they [00:11:30] claim it's to prevent sex abuse talks to kids about masturbation and about, oh, it's fun to touch your penis, isn't it?

[00:11:40] Anita: And it's fun to touch a vulva. And why don't you draw a picture of the [00:11:45] places in your house where you can do this privately? This is breaking down children's boundaries. They, you know, a child might explore his or her body, but to [00:12:00] have a teacher try to engage them in conversations and group conversations about.

[00:12:10] Anita: Masturbation when this is for 3-year-old to 10 year olds. [00:12:15] There's just something, it, it really, when you know a little about queer theory, then you know that it, it started off with this, it was actually, it, it began as a speech and it turned into a [00:12:30] chapter in a book. Um, the name of the chapter is called Thinking Sex.

[00:12:35] Anita: It's by Gail Rubin, and it was published in 1984. And in it she talks about, as we've [00:12:45] discussed before, how, um, all sexual minorities and bisexual minorities, she means people who engage in bestiality, [00:13:00] uh, people who are. Sex workers, uh, people who are pimps, um, people who are into sadism, people who are into exhibitionism, and of course [00:13:15] transsexuals.

[00:13:16] Anita: 'cause they hadn't really coined the term or, or used it very much. Uh, the term transgender at this point we're all oppressed sexual minorities, but the most oppressed sexual minorities were the quote [00:13:30] unquote boy lovers, the pedophiles. And so about half that paper is about how pedophiles are treated very badly, badly about how children [00:13:45] pub PrepU bs in children might be the ones to initiate sex.

[00:13:49] Anita: And so therefore you could not punish the adults. Um, on and on and on. And, and, and when you look at what. Is being taught in schools [00:14:00] today. You'll hear the echoes of that paper. Um, let, as a matter of fact, let me just, um, read some snippets from some library books that are in [00:14:15] middle schools, middle school library, and it, I thought at first, well, they're in libraries.

[00:14:20] Anita: It doesn't mean every child is going to pick the book up or even find the book and know it's there, but they promote these books. I've seen from [00:14:30] one, uh, parent who took pic pictures of it, a poster in the school, his, his stepson's middle school, promoting these books and saying, oh, people wanna ban these books.

[00:14:44] Anita: Should they be [00:14:45] banned? Well. They don't wanna ban them, they just don't want little kids to read them. So here's from library books. This is from All Boys Aren't Blue and this is going to get a little X-rated for anybody who [00:15:00] is sensitive to it. Uh, quote, I put some lube on the condom and got him on his knees and I began to slide into him from behind.

[00:15:13] Anita: This is in a middle school library [00:15:15] book that's promoted. It's not just sitting there on the shelf. They promote this book to kids. Alright, here is from Beyond Magenta, another well-promoted book in schools from six [00:15:30] Up. I used to kiss other guys in my neighborhood, make out with them and perform oral sex on them.

[00:15:37] Anita: I liked it. This is what they're giving middle school kids, uh, from gender queer. [00:15:45] I can't wait to have your cock in my mouth. I'm going to give you the blow job of your life

[00:15:55] Anita: from This book is Gay, which is [00:16:00] basically an instruction book. There is only one hard and fast rule when it comes to blow jobs. Watch the teeth so you get the [00:16:15] idea. This is what you know, you, we spoke earlier and it for the book four Sacrificial Lambs. I gave you a number of younger grade school books that were actually taught to [00:16:30] children, 5, 6, 7, 8 years old.

[00:16:33] Anita: And uh, we discuss them at some length, and that's in, in your commentaries in the book actually, there's a lot of Stephanie Wynn in sacrificial lambs. [00:16:45] Uh, my go-to therapist to, um, figure out, is this really as bad as I think it is? And, uh, yeah, it was really bad. But, um, those books were [00:17:00] confusing kids about what sex they were and prompting them to choose pronouns and prompting them to feel that.

[00:17:10] Anita: Children who chose to identify [00:17:15] as different genders were the heroes of the story. They were always the heroes and everybody had to cater to them because they were not only the heroes, but they were the victims. That's, um, an interesting way to do things. But this, this does seem [00:17:30] to work on children's psyches.

[00:17:33] Anita: Um. So, yeah, this is, this is queer theory applied. They're not teaching queer theory itself to children. They're applying queer theory [00:17:45] ideas to what they're teaching children

[00:17:48] Stephanie: to the basic rubric by which we judge what is appropriate for children, what belongs in a middle school library. And it really is so, uh, tricky of the activists who, who want [00:18:00] these things in libraries to accuse us of things like banning right to, to make it sound like we're the authoritarians, when really there's only so many, uh, spaces on the shelf of your average library.

[00:18:12] Stephanie: And we need some kind of discernment about what [00:18:15] belongs there and what doesn't. And you know, it was very, um, disturbing to hear you read this pornographic content, but I appreciate the examples. We're definitely not gonna monetize this video on YouTube now after you are talking like that. Um, and that's [00:18:30] okay.

[00:18:30] Stephanie: Um, excuse me. I'm very, uh, you can hear it in my voice now, but, um, yeah, I mean, you know, when you read it like that, it really is just so clear that we're talking about pornography in school libraries, [00:18:45] and you have to wonder about the motives of anyone who put would promote the sort of thing. And I'm thinking about what the arguments are that people are actually making in favor of this sort of thing.

[00:18:56] Stephanie: I think, uh, you know, a few general categories. One [00:19:00] is that, um, first it stems from a very distorting picture of parents as if, um. As if conservative parents don't want their children to have access to [00:19:15] really basic information. Right. So I think the position that you or I would take on a matter like this is that, um, most parents love their kids more than anyone else and, um, are in the best [00:19:30] position to be making a decision about how to answer a child's questions, uh, about their bodies and what kind of bodies other people have under their clothes.

[00:19:40] Stephanie: And, you know, it's children are gonna ask questions and, um, [00:19:45] sometimes it's, it's the questions that the kids ask you, those sort of tell you what they're ready to hear and what they're not ready to hear. Right? That's a natural, organic process if you are a trusted adult, a parent, or you know, in my case a stepparent.

[00:19:58] Stephanie: But even then, right, [00:20:00] even in my role as a stepparent, like it's not appropriate for me to be the one to talk to these kids about it. So how would it possibly be a teacher's role? Um. But I think that's one of the kind of common arguments, right? It's this misperception, almost like a deliberate [00:20:15] distortion of the role of parents as if there are all these, you know, people out there who don't love their kids enough to want them to have age appropriate answers to questions, right?

[00:20:24] Stephanie: So then it's like, oh, we have to be on this like rescue mission to equip children with the [00:20:30] information that they need. You know, provide them sex ed 'cause their parents aren't gonna do it. I think that's one of the kind of common categories. I think another they, you know, the, the, the distortion that they use, the word that they use is like representation.

[00:20:44] Stephanie: So [00:20:45] representation is one of the, these like woke dog whistle terms where, you know, they mean, for example, do you see people who look like you on a TV show? Do you read about characters from your background in a, in a novel? And, [00:21:00] um, I think it definitely gets overused and distorted and exaggerated, but. I think the argument that some of these activists would make in favor of books like this would be to say, gay kids need representation.

[00:21:13] Stephanie: You know, it's this idea [00:21:15] that like, um, how are these kids going to discover themselves if they don't know that there are other people like them out there? I'm wondering if you ran into these sort of narratives in your research.

[00:21:28] Anita: Oh, I certainly ran into them [00:21:30] in the popular, uh, criticisms of keeping these kids, uh, these books from kids.

[00:21:39] Anita: But when you look at the academic papers on it, [00:21:45] they're saying something darker. They're saying that children are sexual beings. Some of them say, you know, and, and some of the academics even not in their papers, but o otherwise say, from the time they're born, [00:22:00] they're sexual beings. And if you deny them the right to explore sex and their own sexuality, that's adultism.

[00:22:12] Anita: There's even one paper that I came [00:22:15] across that said, you know, the only people that we restrict as much as we do children are prisoners in, you know, in jail. And, uh, we need to free children. And adultism, which is [00:22:30] keeping them, uh, from expressing themselves, is harmful. The, the, the underlying message through a lot of this is that parents are the problem, [00:22:45] parents are not safe.

[00:22:46] Anita: Parents cannot be told these good things that we're doing for the children.

[00:22:52] Stephanie: Yeah. The framing here is like liberation. We must liberate the trapped youth. And I think about how appealing that [00:23:00] is to teenagers. You know, when I was a little, a little troublemaker myself as an adolescent, I was all about liberation.

[00:23:10] Stephanie: You know, I was, um, I was an activist, I was an animal liberation [00:23:15] front, and, uh, I believed in women's liberation. And, and then I got involved in this idea of youth liberation, right? And, um, that was back in the nineties, right? So,

[00:23:25] Anita: yeah. Well, no, the, the thing is that they're not just talking to teenagers about [00:23:30] this or they're talking to little kids.

[00:23:33] Anita: Little kids.

[00:23:34] Stephanie: Well,

[00:23:35] Anita: and so. I think one of the things that you spoke about with a guest a couple of months ago was how a lot of the [00:23:45] girls who get caught up in the trans movement are afraid of sex, and they, you know, they want to delay or completely obviate the need to, to worry about [00:24:00] being attractive to men.

[00:24:01] Anita: Well, what does it do to children who are not ready to be immersed in all this? And they really do immerse them. They're telling them you're, you know, you are all about sex. This, you're a [00:24:15] sexual being. Um, you have to talk, you have to know, uh, the names of the, the genitals and you have to put actual sticky notes on these, these, uh, images, so you won't [00:24:30] forget.

[00:24:30] Anita: Does that. You're the psychotherapist. So you, you can, you can lead me if I'm wrong about this, but does that potentially, if a child is not ready for this conversation, does it [00:24:45] make the girl especially afraid of reaching that point where she is considered by others, a sexual being?

[00:24:53] Stephanie: Yeah, I mean, I think some common emotions that kids might experience and reaction as inappropriate [00:25:00] content being shoved down their throats would be fear, embarrassment, disgust, shame.

[00:25:06] Stephanie: There's also that, um, sort of a cognitive dissonance or a feeling of being gaslit if the sense is that, [00:25:15] um, peop what everyone around you is trying to do is like normal or something that you should wanna be a part of when your instinctive reaction is telling you something else, right. Your instinctive reaction is maybe discussed, [00:25:30] um, because.

[00:25:31] Stephanie: Isn't that most kids' reactions to anything sexual? Right. Ew. Like just kissing. Right. Just like, you know, you're watching a, a TV show with your kids and then someone kisses [00:25:45] someone and they go, ew. Right. Because, um, you know, contrary to the beliefs of queer theorist, children are not sexual beings. Um, and, and so that's the disgust response is a healthy instinct saying, I'm not [00:26:00] ready for that.

[00:26:00] Stephanie: That's not something for me to be exposed to. And so I think it is very confusing because let's think about in contrast, what are the optimal conditions for sexuality to emerge under in [00:26:15] adolescence? Well, it would probably be, you know, a safe and protected environment where, um, one of the elements of sexuality that comes online is.

[00:26:25] Stephanie: Intimacy and intimacy requires privacy, right? There's, [00:26:30] um, you know, in, in a mature sexual relationship, privacy is a really important, um, element of the structure around that, right? And so as, uh, as sexual and romantic [00:26:45] feelings start to come online during adolescents, there is, uh, there are some sort of emotional precursors to those later relationships.

[00:26:54] Stephanie: So, for example, a sense of secrecy or privacy is a really big [00:27:00] theme that adolescents start to play with psychologically long before they're ready for any kind of actual sexually intimate experience with another person. So, um. This, this can manifest in very innocent ways. [00:27:15] And um, and it doesn't always have to have a sexual component, it's just that adolescent's brains are developing.

[00:27:23] Stephanie: So, for example, um. Some of the parents I work with, [00:27:30] they, you know, let's say they have like a 14-year-old daughter. Well, she's really wrapped up in this one friendship, right? And she's not aware that there's a romantic attraction to this person. She would not say she has a crush on him, right? [00:27:45] But there's this feeling of like, that's my special friend and we have our special little, we have our secret code language, our, you know, our inside jokes, things that mean something just to the two of us, right?

[00:27:56] Stephanie: Those are the beginnings. Of sexual and romantic [00:28:00] feelings in adolescence. It's very innocent. Right. And, um, you know, while there are, you know, physical desires that can go along with that and fantasies that, you know, could belong in a romance novel, [00:28:15] um, really the, the beginning of the psychological development of an interest in a deeper level of intimacy with another person is the private and exclusive nature of it.

[00:28:27] Stephanie: And so that's part of why it's so strange to [00:28:30] me that people are trying to have these conversations with kids without those boundaries. Right. Because I mean, eventually we know that, that when grooming takes place, it does lead to a private relationship [00:28:45] that is, um. Not healthy or appropriate for the child, but even just the presence of sexual or romantic content, when you're with a bunch of same age peers, or with adults or with [00:29:00] anyone else who's not your crush or your love interest, uh, it, it instinctively triggers that, oh, this isn't meant for me in this setting right now.

[00:29:09] Stephanie: Right. This is not the person I wanna share this experience with.

[00:29:12] Anita: And they do break down all the [00:29:15] boundaries. Boundaries, which is, you know, it, what I hear when you were just talking right now is that kids naturally get there. They naturally get there. If they have questions, they can ask their [00:29:30] parents or grandparents or whoever, but to push them there when they're in first, second, third grade, to tell them by the time they're in.

[00:29:41] Anita: Fourth and gr fifth grade, they must be able to talk [00:29:45] about different genders, different sexualities and, and what have you. Um, you are really, you are, you are not as they claim, uh, engaging in violence, pre [00:30:00] violence prevention. You're not engaging in, uh, sexual abuse, protection. You are engaging in something else.

[00:30:09] Anita: Uh, but yeah. Uh, and um, one thing I [00:30:15] didn't mention in one library book, uh, that's all over, um, is, um, that there are illustrations in the book, and I'm trying to think what it's called. Uh, I [00:30:30] it might be, let's talk about it. Um, where they show various couples in bed. They show them engaging in oral sex. They show them engaging in gay sex.

[00:30:42] Anita: They show them engaging in regular, [00:30:45] you know, heterosexual intercourse. This is not something that you should be pushing on. I mean, this to me, I'm older than you. I mean, I, I know that this would've been considered pornography at [00:31:00] one point, and I still consider it pornography, especially since they're pushing it as an instruction book.

[00:31:08] Anita: Basically, a how to, um, I'm, we're talking about 12 year olds.

[00:31:14] Stephanie: Well, it's very [00:31:15] confusing for kids when, when there's this, again, this sort of gaslighting going on around them where you're supposed to be okay talking about this stuff, even though it triggers that disgusted, you know, shut it down response. And [00:31:30] then I think that if one of the ways that kids can react to that psychologically is to.

[00:31:36] Stephanie: Erode those barriers within themselves thinking I must be the problem. And then they're opening themselves up to experience where their instinct [00:31:45] isn't there to support them knowing what they even want. Kids can end up very confused. I've never, never would've imagined that so many young people would be so confused about their sexuality as I'm seeing today.

[00:31:58] Stephanie: Um, and you know, [00:32:00] especially the parents I coach whose kids were exposed to inappropriate content when they were too young to process it. Those are the ones who don't know if they're straight or gay. They don't know if they're [00:32:15] attracted to their partner or they just wanna be friends. These people are really confused about their sexuality and it's 'cause they were forced to deal with it before those feelings naturally came online.

[00:32:26] Anita: And there's another facet to this, when [00:32:30] they are taught comprehensive sexuality education lessons. Sounds like sex ed. Right? But really isn't. It's, there's sex ed in it, but it's mostly indoctrination. One of the first things they're told is that [00:32:45] it's not same sex attraction or opposite sex attraction.

[00:32:50] Anita: It's same gender or opposite gender attraction. So a kid will come home from fourth grade and tell

[00:32:57] Stephanie: her mother, I'm a [00:33:00] lesbian,

[00:33:01] Anita: and I know a couple of mothers who have heard this. And they're like, you know, how do you know you're a lesbian? You're not, you know, you haven't gone through puberty yet, you know, but because the teachers [00:33:15] giving these lessons, and I don't blame the teachers necessarily because they're going through this teacher training that's telling them, this is how you approach these things.

[00:33:25] Anita: Um, they're telling them, oh, well if you, [00:33:30] uh. Uh, like people of the opposite sex or gender, you are this, um, the girls are coming home saying they're gay boys because they are given all these stereotypical ideas about what a boy [00:33:45] is, what a girl is, and, uh, and kids are coming home saying, I'm polyamorous an 11-year-old poly.

[00:33:54] Anita: I mean, how is an 11-year-old polyamorous? How is an 11-year-old [00:34:00] pansexual? But these are the lessons they're being taught. So they're breaking down all these boundaries and it makes perfect sense to me that the kids are confused. They're being confused. This is, they're, they're [00:34:15] taking lessons and confusion.

[00:34:18] Anita: In some schools, they're doing it from the moment they walk in the school door.

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[00:35:04] Stephanie: That's ROGD repair.com. All right, so Anita, as you were doing your research for sacrificial Lambs, what did you learn about the media's role [00:35:15] in all of this?

[00:35:15] Anita: Well. If you look at the way our media has been talking about quote unquote transgender for the past, more than a decade, uh, you realize that [00:35:30] it's not kids who are being indoctrinated first.

[00:35:33] Anita: They're the, they're kind of downstream. They had to indoctrinate us first. They had to convince us that the a MA, uh, and everybody [00:35:45] else, um, WPATH, uh, were really onto something. There were, there was this new thing called the trans Kid. And, uh, that all these people that you see who are 50 and 60 years old, these men who [00:36:00] suddenly say, oh, I'm a woman, were secretly trans kids from the time they were old enough to toddle along.

[00:36:08] Anita: And, um, and the way this was sold to us was through our most [00:36:15] trusted media. So the, you know, the, the role of the journalist is to take information that you get raw information, [00:36:30] investigate it, find out everything you can about who said it, why they said it, what their evidence is, and is there evidence sound, and who has another opinion about it [00:36:45] and who has other evidence.

[00:36:47] Anita: When it came to the gender issue, nobody did that. They, I guess I'm just guessing, uh, based on people that I know in the [00:37:00] magazine world, that it was something they didn't wanna touch. They didn't want to look transphobic or bigoted, so they just went along with it. And I think a lot of people were just.

[00:37:11] Anita: Convinced at first there must be something to it [00:37:15] because of all the major medical associations that were saying, oh yeah, yeah, this is real. Uh, but by now our media with the same ability to research as any actually [00:37:30] 99 times more ability than most people to research, uh, has to know. They have to know that there is something very seriously wrong with this [00:37:45] narrative.

[00:37:46] Anita: And they're not changing it. They're doubling down. Um, so, you know, let, uh, here are a couple of recent headlines. Uh, this is in the New York Times [00:38:00] from 2024, the Strange Report Fueling the War on Trans Kids. Guess what that strange report is?

[00:38:11] Stephanie: The WPATH files.

[00:38:13] Anita: The CAS report, [00:38:15]

[00:38:15] Stephanie: which didn't, didn't go far enough in my opinion.

[00:38:17] Anita: No, it didn't. I mean, it, it really hedged quite a bit. It wasn't a very good, and I, I wrote a substack about how I wasn't, um, really, uh, imagining that this would [00:38:30] change the narrative enough. But according to the New York Times, it was a strange report and it was, um, uh, here's a little quote from it. The bell case, that's Abel in Tavistock further [00:38:45] stoked what was already a climate of transphobia in Britain.

[00:38:50] Anita: Where conservative politicians have made common cause with some women's group and the celebrity author JK Rowling, to claim without [00:39:00] convincing evidence that transgender women and danger other women, and that children born as girls are being seduced often while suffering serious mental illness by what they call gender ideology into [00:39:15] believing they are trans and transgender boys.

[00:39:17] Anita: So obviously if they knew this much about the cast report, they read it. If they knew this much about the cast report, they realized that everything in the cash report was a [00:39:30] distillation of all the available research, and that the research was graded according to how reliable it was based on standard criteria.

[00:39:43] Anita: And they still [00:39:45] printed a story like this bashing the report, which is. You and I agreed. Didn't go far enough in saying, you know, no, this is like, this is crazy. There's nothing to it. But they, they, they did a little, [00:40:00] um, here's one from Vox. Today the Supreme Court will decide whether to turn teachers into informants against their students.

[00:40:14] Anita: [00:40:15] This is a case that I wrote about in sacrificial lambs melli, where, uh, teachers were being told that they would be fired if they told parents [00:40:30] that their kids were identifying as the opposite sex. They had this whole system of hiding this information from parents and, uh, the teachers. You know, [00:40:45] the, when, when these cases come.

[00:40:48] Anita: Up when, when a law firm takes them, because they can cost hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars to bring these cases. There's always going to be a, a group [00:41:00] behind these cases that has an agenda, whether it's religious freedom or you know, conservative value. So it's never a liberal group so they can claim that it's right wing, but you, and I know it's not rank right wing to say, [00:41:15] yeah, parents have a right to know what's going on with their children.

[00:41:19] Anita: Uh, but they're, they're claiming it that their, um, their turning teacher into informants against their students. Um, [00:41:30] then there's the Associated Press case in November. Transgender teen athlete in a Supreme Court fight nodes. The upcoming sports season could be her last. It's not a her, this is a [00:41:45] boy. If it's his last, it's because he's competing against girls and he is not good enough to qualify to compete against boys.

[00:41:54] Stephanie: Man, I just, I just can't believe this stuff is still going on. I'm like, it's [00:42:00] 2026. Like I, I've been in gender critical world for like six years now, and like, how has everyone not caught up to where we are? Like the news is still saying this kind of stuff. [00:42:15] I mean, obviously I just, I don't read those news outlets.

[00:42:19] Stephanie: I've been too busy with everything on my plate to read any kind of news at all lately, and I'm just, I'm shocked that this is still, like, there's still people who believe this stuff.

[00:42:29] Anita: [00:42:30] Well, that's what I said earlier today. If just for one week they all told the truth because obviously. If they knew what was in the cash report and they're bashing the cash report as saying it's not convincing [00:42:45] evidence when it's all the evidence, it's all the evidence that it was available that was analyzed for this report that, you know, that it's still, it's fueling a war on trans kids.[00:43:00]

[00:43:00] Anita: Um, and then there's a New York Times article that just blew me away, the transgender cancer patient. And what she heard on tape, a whole story about how this guy who shows up for his [00:43:15] cancer treatment, he's had facial surgery, but he's still got his penis. And when the, uh, people in the operating room say, oh, he's still got man parts, and they say, well, we [00:43:30] should probably not have.

[00:43:32] Anita: A pregnancy test, John and him, well, they did anyway and probably should change his sex marker in his medical records to female be, I mean, to male because he's not a [00:43:45] female and there are different ways to treat men and females. He sued and it was a very sympathetic article about him suing, uh, there were dozens of references to him as a woman, and [00:44:00] I mean, this is the New York Times.

[00:44:02] Anita: This is where people go for information.

[00:44:05] Stephanie: I'm sitting here going, what type of cancer and, and what gave him the cancer? Because those cross-ex hormones will give, especially testicular [00:44:15] cancer. To men, for example. Um, okay, so who's pulling the strings? Can we, can we get conspiracy theorists on this? Since, since, uh, someone decided to leave me an Apple Podcast review a couple years ago, uh, their, their podcast review [00:44:30] was called, you must be some kind of conspiracy theorist.

[00:44:33] Stephanie: Very, very clever play on words troll. So since I get accused of being a conspiracy theorist, anyway, let's go full blown conspiracy theorist. Who's pulling the strings? Who's controlling the media and the [00:44:45] academic institutions? And,

[00:44:47] Anita: uh, you know, at this point, my opinion not being a conspiracy theorist, um, it's some cost.

[00:44:56] Anita: You have put all your credibility into this [00:45:00] basket with something that is totally lacking in credibility and maybe you're hoping that. You won't be found out before you die or, or, you know, some sort of panic. I mean, they obviously [00:45:15] know. They obviously know there is no such thing that, you know there. If I know that there is such a thing as an auto gyno file and you know that there's such a, and half the people on Twitter know there's such a thing as an gyna pile.[00:45:30]

[00:45:30] Anita: They know. Why are they calling these men who stand in front of the mirror in their wives or girlfriend's, lingerie and masturbate? Why are they calling them women? Women don't do [00:45:45] that. They know that these guys exist. They, they must know that most of these people, they're calling trans women are men with this fetish, this fetish like condition.

[00:45:56] Anita: Actually, uh, technically it's a paraphilia. [00:46:00] Why don't they just report the truth? And I do believe it's because once you've invested that much in a lie, it's very difficult to come out and say, [00:46:15] you know, we were wrong. Here's the truth. But I do also think that the way this got embedded into society in the first place was [00:46:30] because so-called trans activists were just swarming everyone and screaming about what they wanted to be called, how they wanted to be treated.

[00:46:42] Anita: They got, uh, I think it was Steven [00:46:45] Levine, and don't quote me on that because I might be wrong. Uh, he's a very prominent, uh, psychologist who was, or maybe he's a psychiatrist, I'm not sure. Anyway, he might, he might be an md. He, uh. He spoke [00:47:00] in another podcast about how he had come to a WPATH conference in the early two thousands, and Wpath is obviously the group of gender doctors and, [00:47:15] uh, other, uh, people involved in the gender industry.

[00:47:21] Anita: Uh, and he had prepared notes about what he was going to see, say to, uh, the audience. And he was [00:47:30] surprised that a bunch of men in dresses were shouting down earlier speakers. Now this is a medical conference and they've got all these guys dressed up, uh, as women, um, [00:47:45] shouting down doctors who are presenting.

[00:47:49] Anita: Anytime they said something he they didn't like. So, uh, assuming it's Levine, who, who made this statement, I think it is. He said before it was his turn to give his [00:48:00] speech. He crossed out a couple of paragraphs. He didn't wanna be shouted down. Uh, then there was the diagnostic and statistical manual of, um, psychiatric disorders to the DSM [00:48:15] in 2013 where there was such pressure from trans activists to get rid of the gender identity disorder classification because they sort of [00:48:30] pathologized them, that they changed it to gender dysphoria.

[00:48:33] Anita: This is supposedly a medical book, but activists did this. Activists just put the pressure on. So, uh, I think that you're looking at a small [00:48:45] group of people. A lot of money behind them from Pritzker and what have you, but you would have to have billions to, to, you know, really do the damage that they did just by putting constant pressure on.[00:49:00]

[00:49:01] Anita: So my belief, and, you know, I could be proven wrong on this, I do know that the Pritzker family has put, you know, probably close to billions, and then Mackenzie, what's her name, the wife of, or the former wife of [00:49:15] Jeff Bezos, just gave $45 million to the Trevor Project. So yeah, there's money in this. Uh, but there's also this, this circular thing where everybody says, it's so, so, [00:49:30] it must be so, and people.

[00:49:34] Anita: Can't believe that this could all be a lie. And the people who are reporting on this did so disingenuously, I think at first they gave [00:49:45] kids out of college who just came from the gender, gender studies course, the L-G-B-T-Q beat. And so all the articles looked like this. They had that poor little boy who they called [00:50:00] jazz, uh, go through quote unquote transition on TV for a few years, culminating in his, having his penis sliced open on tv, hollowed out [00:50:15] inverted, and all the horrible complications that followed so that he had to have multiple surgeries.

[00:50:22] Anita: And prior to that, they had him puberty blocked so that he will never have an orgasm. He [00:50:30] considers himself so asexual now. Well, of course, because he never got to go through puberty. But this was treated as glamorous, fascinating, interesting. It was sold to us. It was sold to all of us. And, [00:50:45] and whether it's news media or entertainment media, how do they walk this back?

[00:50:53] Anita: How do they do that? How do they say Everything we told you. A lie. [00:51:00]

[00:51:00] Stephanie: Yeah, I think you've got some really valid points there about the sunk cost and the psychological and cultural barriers. I am glad you at least mentioned the Pritzkers and the, you know, the money behind this 'cause. 'cause there is definitely an agenda going on here.[00:51:15]

[00:51:15] Stephanie: Um, but I think that's, that's where a lot of people are at, right? Both the ones kind of driving and participating in the whole thing and, and the more kind of passive observers who, uh, refuse to see the harm in it, it would just be too [00:51:30] shocking to admit we got something so big, so wrong.

[00:51:33] Anita: It's difficult for the average person to realize that they've gotten something so wrong.

[00:51:38] Anita: A very good friend of mine from Florida, uh, was arguing with me as I was writing this [00:51:45] book, telling me, oh, this is all wrong. You don't understand, da da da. And I said, please read the book when it comes out. Please read the book. Now she's promoting the book. She said, you know, I can't believe it. [00:52:00] Uh, I can't believe what they're doing to children.

[00:52:03] Anita: She said, I still believe that there are some adults who really are trans. Um, but uh, what they're doing to children is wrong. So you have to, uh, you have to [00:52:15] have access to this information. People don't, the average person doesn't have access to information about everything that's going wrong. Uh, and they just believe that, oh, trans [00:52:30] women are women and they're some sort of super gay guy.

[00:52:34] Anita: You know? And that's what I thought. I thought, oh, well, I had lots of friends when I was younger who were gay men, and some of them liked to dress in drag. And, you [00:52:45] know, uh, when I lived briefly as a teenager in Hollywood, uh, I had a friend who would dress in gold, lame and would have you, and. Marching down Hollywood Boulevard on, I guess it was Friday or Saturday night, there was [00:53:00] some sort of parade, and so that was in my mind, the image of someone who called himself a trans woman, just someone who decided to wear drag full time.

[00:53:12] Anita: But that's not the case. As you and I know [00:53:15] now,

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[00:54:16] Stephanie: So as you know Anita, we have a lot of concerned parents in our audience here. Many of them have children in the very same K 12 schools that you've looked at or have children that might be exposed to some of the same curriculum or have [00:54:30] those books in their libraries. So you've really looked at a lot of the cracks in the system.

[00:54:36] Stephanie: Um, and I always, let me be careful to say it this way. When I am coaching [00:54:45] parents, I'm always careful to assess their resources and limitations and sort of the, the hand that they have dealt as well as what cards they don't know, um, before I give them any advice on dealing with the school [00:55:00] system. Because the last thing you wanna do is put yourself in a position where some.

[00:55:08] Stephanie: Gung-ho activists at the school takes a particular interest in your child and you reveal [00:55:15] yourself to be the exact kind of parent that they think is a threat to their child, right? And then, and then that person starts really grooming your kids. The last thing you wanna do is put all your cards out there as a parent when you don't know who you're dealing with and when you don't [00:55:30] necessarily have the resources to do something, like switch your kid to a private school if it comes to it, right?

[00:55:35] Stephanie: So all of that being said, I always have to kind of give that disclaimer when, when parents ask me for advice, still with the school system. 'cause you don't necessarily wanna go full activist on them [00:55:45] right away. It might not be the most strategic thing. That being said, tell us what you know that would be empowering information for parents who are dealing with these public schools.

[00:55:56] Anita: Well, unfortunately, there isn't a whole [00:56:00] lot that a parent can do in a very captured school. So you have to do it individually. Uh, just in terms of your own family. You have to be very, very active in [00:56:15] finding out what's being taught in your school. Most of the parents that I interviewed for sacrificial lambs had no idea any of this was going on.

[00:56:25] Anita: Um, many of them said, oh, they're teaching social justice. That's [00:56:30] great. You know, I'm a liberal. I, you know, I'm all for social justice. And they didn't understand what that meant. So parents first have to ask to see the full curriculum, not the curriculum description, [00:56:45] the full curriculum. And then they have to find out if they can opt their children out.

[00:56:51] Anita: But even that is not enough because every other child will be in these lessons. So the child, your child [00:57:00] will feel. Perhaps left out and we'll hear from the other kids anyway. So you have to actually spend some time with your child just talking about this in a way that you [00:57:15] as a psychotherapist would tell them to talk about it.

[00:57:17] Anita: I'm not the expert on how to approach, 'cause you know, as soon as you say to a child, this isn't true, the child is going to say yes it is. So you have to find that way in and, and I [00:57:30] defer to Stephanie when to, uh, give that way in.

[00:57:33] Stephanie: Well, individual, individual temperament may makes a lot of difference here.

[00:57:37] Stephanie: Right. Because I mean, I think one of the things I hear you talking about Anita is more the preventative approach, right? For [00:57:45] like, when you know that it's, I mean, there's only so much you can do, like you said, because. You have to look at the risk benefit analysis of opting your kid out, if that's gonna cause them humiliation, if it's, if it's gonna make them resent you, if you already have an oppositional child, [00:58:00] or if you have the sort of child that like something being off limits is gonna make them more curious about it.

[00:58:04] Stephanie: You know, those are all reasons that it may not necessarily be the best approach to opt your kid out, right? So you have those considerations, but then you have the slow, steady drip that you know, [00:58:15] even if they miss that particular lesson with the genital anatomy, there's a slow, steady drip of the pronouns and the ideology and, and that is where individual temperament makes a lot of difference.

[00:58:27] Stephanie: And the parents trying too hard in the wrong way can [00:58:30] actually backfire. That's why I have a whole curriculum, you know, the ROGD repair program for helping parents think through their child's individual psychology and, and what approaches are actually gonna work best for them.

[00:58:42] Anita: I have a friend who is currently opting her [00:58:45] child out and my first thought was.

[00:58:49] Anita: He's going to feel like everybody's getting something. He's not. He's going to feel left out. How do you approach this? But you do have to know what is in the curriculum, and some of [00:59:00] these schools will not even let you take it home and look at it. You can walk into the office and review it, but you have to leave it there.

[00:59:08] Anita: Um, I've had parents tell me that they've taken pictures. Uh, so [00:59:15] I don't think that the school is, the w is the place that you're going to fix this. I think that we have to go to what I spoke about just a moment ago and take the same [00:59:30] tack that the activists are taking. Put the pressure on the media that is convincing all your friends and neighbors, all your family members, that this is real and that, you [00:59:45] know, mutilating children in.

[00:59:48] Anita: Pursuit of an impossible dream is good for them. I would like to see a movement of people who know that there is [01:00:00] something wrong here, A letter writing campaign. Every time you see something in your nightly news where a man is called a woman, every time you see an article in the [01:00:15] newspaper, write to the newspaper, write to the TV station and say very politely, there is an error in your reporting.

[01:00:26] Anita: And I'm requesting a correction. And [01:00:30] here are the facts and here is the evidence. And if enough of us do this enough times, I don't expect this to happen tomorrow, but there will be some shift in the reporting. These people [01:00:45] do respond to pressure, pressure. On all these media outlets is what caused them to start reporting a war on trans kids when all it was about [01:01:00] was trying to keep kids out of a gender clinic and using evidence.

[01:01:07] Anita: So if we can just go to our media sources and say, um, I happen to [01:01:15] have this paper that is, you know, from whether it's the cash report or it's something else, and I, I will actually even list some resources on my substack, here's the evidence that shows that [01:01:30] your article needs a correction.

[01:01:31] Stephanie: Well bless the people with the fortitude to do that sort of thing.

[01:01:37] Anita: Well, if you've got your kid in, in a school where this is going to be a [01:01:45] constant. Um, I think you'll do anything to protect that child. And it seems like a step away. But until we convince the adults, the, the children weren't the [01:02:00] first people who were indoctrinated. It was us, we accepted that this was all true because of what we read, because of what we saw until our friends, neighbors and relatives who are [01:02:15] already starting to doubt this.

[01:02:16] Anita: I mean, if you look at polls, recent polls, the um, uh, the sports thing might seem distant from the school thing, but it really isn't. It's all of a piece. [01:02:30] 67% of Democrats, not just Americans, Democrats say that boys should not be competing in girls' sports because it's very obvious to them. They have. Or they've been, they have [01:02:45] children or they've been children, they know that there's a difference in the physical capacity of a boy and girl.

[01:02:53] Anita: So that's a real easy one. 67% say no when you, [01:03:00] uh, go to the population at large, it's closer to 80. Uh, when it comes to chemical and surgical interventions on children, it's more than half say, no, [01:03:15] it shouldn't be done on minors. It really shouldn't be done on anybody as we know. But more than half of Democrats, so even lacking the good resources that most of the people who are very aware [01:03:30] have, the average Democrat knows there's something wrong.

[01:03:36] Anita: They know there's something wrong. We have to get our media. To at least be [01:03:45] in touch with their audiences. If they're in touch with what is real, they already know all this, maybe they'll be [01:04:00] eventually a move toward telling the truth. This, this does not end until our major media tells the truth. It just does not.

[01:04:09] Anita: We can have legislation, we can have court cases, but we've [01:04:15] still got people who are being convinced to move out of state when their states have legislation that says, okay, no more puberty blockers or hormones to kids. They move to another [01:04:30] state. If we really care about children and we want to protect them, we have to get the information to the adults and.

[01:04:40] Anita: The only way to do that is really the [01:04:45] only way to actually turn the corner on. This is an informed public. We have a disformed public now. It's not a thing you do tomorrow, it's not a thing that you do just for your [01:05:00] kid. It's not a thing that's going to solve your particular problem at this moment, but eventually it's going to make a change if enough of us do it.

[01:05:11] Stephanie: Well, that's, that's a great speech. Um, [01:05:15] tell us about what is in your book that we didn't cover today? Just, um, an overview and who do you want to see reading this book?

[01:05:25] Anita: I want everyone to read it. Uh, my friend who I mentioned [01:05:30] earlier who was arguing with me until she read it and now is a crusader for it, is not a parent.

[01:05:36] Anita: She never had children, but. Everyone. What I did with this book was I said, okay, I knew where [01:05:45] I came from. I knew that I didn't believe everybody who said they were trans was trans, but I still believe that there were people who were really trans. So what I had to do was take all the [01:06:00] ideas that I had prior to my research and all the ideas I've heard from others, find the evidence one way or the other.

[01:06:09] Anita: And I didn't expect to find it all on my, you know, what turned out to be my [01:06:15] side. I expected it to be nuanced somewhere in the middle, and it wasn't. It was all like, this is insane. But I, I want, especially parents, of course, because they're the ones who need it most, but. [01:06:30] Everyone, especially people who consider themselves liberal or moderate and maybe are starting to feel a little inkling, like there's seven 67% of Democrats who think, yeah, maybe sports is something we should [01:06:45] keep the boys off the girls team.

[01:06:47] Anita: I want them to read this and discover that. The original research used to tell us that there was such a thing as a trans kid and that we could put them on puberty [01:07:00] blockers and cross-sex hormones and make them happy. That was flawed, and I break down that research and I show why it was flawed. I break down what they did, that they just made errors [01:07:15] about what they did, that they just ignored previous evidence.

[01:07:18] Anita: And also show that although we're talking about all these supposed trans kids who. Suddenly magically appeared in our universe before [01:07:30] all this happened to our society. There were children who, when there were toddlers and usually until just about puberty or sometime after, after became confused about [01:07:45] their sex and they grew out of it, puberty and succeeding years, made them accept that they were boys and girls.

[01:07:55] Anita: Most of them were gay at that time. This is before the craze. So we [01:08:00] know that if we look at a long enough period in the research, if we look at, um, who desisted from believing they were the wrong sex by puberty, it's something like, you know, depending on the paper, [01:08:15] 60, 70, 80%, if we look at them in their twenties, it's close to a hundred percent.

[01:08:21] Anita: There are no trans kids. We need people to know this. The problem was that [01:08:30] this was in the Netherlands. The, the original research as you know, the Dutch protocol, um, there were gyno files who said, gee, I don't look like a woman. No matter what I do, I just can't [01:08:45] pass as a woman. And so doctors said, well, maybe if we can reach them earlier, but they're reaching a different group.

[01:08:55] Anita: First of all, they're reaching the gay kids who had just grew off to be gay. And, [01:09:00] um, and Theophile are never going to be happy. This is a sickness that they have. This is a disease. You cannot fix it by breaking bodies. Anyway, so that's one thing that I want people to [01:09:15] know, that everything that you've heard in support of this is wrong.

[01:09:21] Anita: Everything. Uh, we went from a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny [01:09:30] percentage of children who were gender confused as toddlers to 5.5% of 13 to 17 year olds believing either they were trans or they might be. This is con, [01:09:45] this is indoctrination and social contagion. This is not real. All right. The second thing that I want people to know is that your media has been lying to you.

[01:09:59] Anita: And I [01:10:00] lay out a, an entire chapter on this. It's a very important thing for people to understand. Most people who are experts on any topic will pick up a newspaper or watch, [01:10:15] uh, an. A news segment on the topic that they are expert in and say, oh no, that's not true. They got that wrong. But then they'll accept everything else is true.

[01:10:26] Anita: They'll just assume, well, that's the one thing I'm an expert on it. I know [01:10:30] they didn't get that wrong, but they got everything else right. They didn't get this right. You need to know how wrong they got it. I cover that. I show it. Uh, the, the biggest [01:10:45] instance of propaganda that you see in the media, and this is, this is not something that's accidental, this is something that is part of the propaganda and, uh, very intentional [01:11:00] is when they mean transgender, they say LGBT or L-G-B-T-Q.

[01:11:08] Anita: There is no LGB in the TQ universe. As a matter of fact, if you look [01:11:15] back again at queer theory, queer theory calls Sex and sexuality, a cultural construct and a spectrum. Under queer theory, there is no such thing as an [01:11:30] innate sexual orientation. So there is no such thing as a totally straight sexual orientation or a totally gay orientation.

[01:11:41] Anita: They are not LGB, they are using [01:11:45] LGB as cover for promoting this. Uh, then I I, I go through with the book showing through various stories of people who have been affected by [01:12:00] this exactly how harmful it is to individual families and children. So you'll meet a little girl who was indoctrinated by her teacher.

[01:12:14] Anita: She was 10 [01:12:15] years old, and her teacher convinced her to present as a boy. I don't know that she ever really believed she was, but she loved this teacher. And this teacher was an activist. And after her mother found out and [01:12:30] pulled her out of the school, the teacher kept emailing, texting her, trying to get up to meet her, trying to get her saying, you know, if your parents aren't safe, who else might be safe?

[01:12:43] Anita: Safe? Meaning they don't [01:12:45] believe that you're a boy? And then she said, you know, I'd take you into my own home if you need it. And there are laws in the state where she lived it. [01:13:00] The law wasn't in effect when this happened, but the following year. The governor signed a law that said if any child runs away from home, basically in search of chemical and surgical gender interventions, [01:13:15] whoever has that child, doesn't have to inform the parents that 10-year-old could have run away.

[01:13:23] Anita: Fortunately, the 10-year-old, her old her mom, what was going on. So I want people to understand exactly how [01:13:30] dangerous this is. This isn't just, oh, some kid is using different pronouns. Some can change his or her name. People are losing their children, they're losing custody through the courts. They're [01:13:45] losing custody because there are predators who will woo these children away from their parents who think they're doing a good thing, by the way, who think they're on the side of right?

[01:13:56] Anita: Who will say, your parents aren't safe. Come with me. [01:14:00] Then there are some who just want to exploit them. There is another little girl who I wrote about who was, uh, wooed away and was sex trafficked. So these are very important things for [01:14:15] people to know. This is not just a matter of, oh, you know, it's just a fad.

[01:14:20] Anita: It's just a pronoun, no big deal. This is dangerous. Uh, I also want people to know, and I, [01:14:30] I covered this in some detail in, uh, a chapter about, um, where, you know, men are pretending to be female. A lot of these people, we don't know [01:14:45] whether they think they're trans or not, but we know that they are predators and they're exploiting this loophole in the law.

[01:14:56] Anita: Or even if it's not actual law, it's the way [01:15:00] people are doing business to gain access to women and children.

[01:15:05] Stephanie: Absolutely. And I've heard some horror stories about that in my parent coaching role, so I'm really glad that you cover all that. I think that was really beautifully articulated in Anita. [01:15:15] So of course we'll include a link to your book in the show notes.

[01:15:17] Stephanie: And why don't you let people know where they can find you and where they can find sacrificial lambs?

[01:15:21] Anita: Uh, sacrificial Lambs is available on Amazon bonds and noble independent bookstores. Uh, sometimes [01:15:30] in an independent bookstore you might just have to ask to order it, and I hope you will. Uh, but it is, uh, uh, available in print and in Kindle [01:15:45] editions, and we're working on an audio edition, uh, so uh, that will be available within the next few months.

[01:15:55] Anita: Uh, yes, I, uh, you can find my writing on my [01:16:00] substack, which is called Good Question, by Anita Bartholomew, and I mostly cover the topics that I've covered here and whatever new information is coming out. And, uh, of course I have, [01:16:15] uh, a static website, anita bartholomew.com. Get the book, tell your friends if there's someone who is just on the fence, who is just starting to [01:16:30] wonder, just starting to question, well, you know, I don't want them to, you know, stop people from getting surgery or what have you when they're adults, but I'm wondering about children or if they're thinking, yeah, [01:16:45] those boys really shouldn't be running against those girls.

[01:16:47] Anita: Girls don't have a chance. Whatever it is, where you see a crack. This is a resource that covers everything. Everything.

[01:16:59] Stephanie: That's [01:17:00] wonderful. All right. Well, Anita, thank you so much for joining me today. It's been a pleasure.

[01:17:04] Anita: Oh, thank you so much for having me, Stephanie. It's great seeing you again.

[01:17:10] Stephanie: Thank you for listening too.

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[01:17:36] Stephanie: For help navigating the impact of the gender craze on your family, be sure to check out my program for parents, our OGD [01:17:45] Repair. Any resource you heard mentioned on this show plus how to get in touch with me can all be found in the notes and links below rain or shine. I hope you will step outside to breathe the air today [01:18:00] in the words of Max Airman.

[01:18:02] Stephanie: With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful [01:18:15] [01:18:30] world.